AIM Event: Roasted Passion - the Phillip Di Bella story
Posted on September 2nd, 2009 by Stephen Hurn – 5 CommentsPhillip Di Bella, in 2002 started a coffee business with $5000. The empire that he spawned was listed in the BRW Fast 100 three years running, which would have been four years except his accountants forgot to file the paperwork on time (d’oh). He recently turned down a $28 Million offer for Di Bella Coffee. Suffice to say Phillip knows how to do business.
I did not really know what to expect when I went to the presentation as I had no idea about any of the information listed in the previous paragraph. All I knew was that this presentation was going to be made by someone who had a successful coffee business. Coffee being essentially a commodity market in Brisbane today (think of all the coffee chains and independents around the place - Coffee Club, Zaraffas, Gloria Jeans and even McCafe), I wanted to know what it was that he had done to make his business successful. In the end I took five pages of notes, which I think is about the same amount of notes as I took in my whole time at university. While I would love to expound upon every single point taken I will take mercy on you, the reader, and only highlight the points that really stuck out.
Marketing
The first lesson that Phillip tought was that marketing is about education. Advertising is trying to sell someone something, while marketing is about you trying to educate people about your products and company. The current government anti-smoking campaign is a very good example of marketing done well. Many companies advertise and advertising does work, but the truly remarkable companies, the ones that really stand out are the ones that market themselves well. The first company that comes to mind that does this is Google. Everyone knows their mission statement - do no evil, and many people know about their 20% time (that is, 20% of their engineers’ time is spent working on their own experiments). Nobody is a fan of google because they have the best search in the world (which they do) or because they have the best email client in the world (which they do). People are fans of google because they like the company itself - the way it operates, what it believes and the way it does business. If you had have told me in the late 1990s that in ten years time the biggest company on the internet would be an advertising company, with the moto “do no evil” and that people not only believed them but adored them I would have laughed at you and probably thought that you were more than a little crazy. At the time advertising companies were hated and reviled for all of their annoying tactics. Google totally changed what an advertising company could be and do. And not once have I ever seen google trying to sell me any of their products. But they have educated me as to why I am a dill if I still use hotmail for my web mail. Anyway this is supposed to be about the Di Bella story, not the Google story.
Values and Focus
One thing that I liked about Phil’s presentation was how he communicated the values of Di Bella Coffee. It is his belief that Di Bella Coffee is not a coffee company - it is a people company. Take a moment to ponder that for a moment. Just because your company sells coffee does not make it a coffee company. Just because Google sell advertising does not make them an advertising company. Internally at global-roam there has been some debate as to who we are as a company. It is my view that global-roam is not a software company but a market education company. We leverage software to educate and inform people involved with the electricity industry, but primarily what makes us remarkable is the way in which people gain an understanding of how the electricity market works through using our services. The key word in that sentence - people. A software company outsources their help desk to India. At global-roam we have no help desk - if you have an issue with our software and call us you will speak to the programmers who wrote the software. We care about our clients and our clients care about us. At least, we think they do - our retention rate is north of 90%. Phil made the point that product, service and price are not things that will land and keep a customer. If you do get a customer through the door because of one of those three things, it is likely that they will walk out the second that they have a better offer from someone else. It is the passion that you inspire that keep people returning. To reinforce this, Phil told of how a competitor offered free coffee for six months to anyone who was returning after having switched to Di Bella Coffee. Phil did not lose one customer to this tactic as his customers were not interested in the cheapest coffee - they were interested in the whole Di Bella experience. Di Bella customers are sold on Phil’s passion (and really good coffee).
Corporate Structure
On the theme of being a people company, not a product company, Phillip went on to explain his view of how Di Bella coffee was structured. Many companies have a “Christmas tree” structure, where the top of the tree was the most important people and each level down had less and less important people. Nearly everyone has worked in a company like this at some stage and I know that the last place at which I worked structured itself this way. Di Bella Coffee structures itself differently. It views its company as a target, a bullseye with the customer at the center. The closer to the customer you get, the more important you are. Di Bella Coffee treats those who directly interact with the customers as the most important people in their company. The further away from the customer you get, the more responsibility you have and pay is linked to responsibility, not importance. It is for this reason that Phil does not believe in investing in publicly listed companies (in a publicly listed company the people with the most to lose are not the people who have the most responsibility).
Pay
Which brings us to the topic of pay. On this topic Phillip was very strong - noone in the company was to talk about pay, everyone who was worthy of staying with the company for another year deserved a payrise and nobody was paid award wages as Phil expected more than “award work”. Pay is negotiated with each individual. After this has been done, it is written into the Di Bella policy that talking about salary is a sackable offense. This is very different from the viewpoint given in Maverick (see the earlier book review), in which the author promoted the viewpoint that everybody should know what everybody else in the company gets paid. Phil’s view is that pay like clothes is expected at work, you just do not talk about it. Talking about pay with peers will lead to a focus on money, which is not what Di Bella is about. I am inclined to agree with this viewpoint. Money is nice, and necessary to survive, but coming to work (actually this statement is somewhat ironic as I am telecommuting today) should be about the work, not about the pay packet .
The Di Bella Story
Finally, the story of how Di Bella got started is one that interests me greatly. In 2002 Phil started with $5 000 cash and had a vision for a company that sold coffee. Instead of trying to get a loan, then starting a store in a supermarket and going through the process that way, Phil reasoned that it was better to work within his means and so started by asking other people if he could use their coffee roasters while they were not using them. This meant that while everyone else was asleep, he was up at 3:00 am roasting coffee. He then sold his coffee at the farmers markets. This was his beachhead (which is a concept from “Crossing the Chasm” by Geoffrey A Moore - a must read for anyone in business). At the time nobody had sold coffee at markets and this was the way he began to gain momentum for what would later become one of the greatest success stories of the last seven years. In Phil’s words “do what others are not prepared to do”.
Having heard the man speak, I cannot wait to read his book. I got the feeling that Phil had so much knowledge and experience that simply being around him would be an awesome learning experience. Oh, and now I have to drive to Bowen Hills to try out his coffee.

Thanks Stephen,
Your review certainly makes me wish I had been able to be there, as well.
I will be interested in you giving us a more detailed summary of your 5 pages of notes at our next beer o’clock session.
I’d like to add the following comments, in the same order as your headings:
Regarding Marketing
My view of Marketing is, at its basis, is just relationship building. That’s the case even for transactional companies (like McDonalds, say).
Hence, the education process you mention must be a two-way street.
1) There must be an element of us telling potential clients about who we are.
2) However (even moreso), it should be us learning who are clients are, what their drivers are, and what keeps them awake at night (hopefully not Phillip’s coffee). Only when we know this can we be sure we are going to be able to deliver them the best solution for their needs (as distinct from our wallets).
In some cases – in the interests of building a long-term, genuine relationship, we will (as we do) tell the client that we just can’t help currently, and that they would be better served in this instance going across the road to Acme Incorporated.
Regarding Values and Focus
I believe you’re on the right track in determining that we’re not, at our heart, a software company.
As I have noted before on the blog, ICT is just an enabler. Any company that does not accept this is stuck with a much bigger issue in crossing the chasm than we have had to face.
However we’re also more than just a “Market Education Company”. For instance - through our deSide® software, we are very much actively involved in driving the market towards delivering a more efficient outcome. That’s more than just education, it’s active facilitation (albeit that we’re not consultants).
How to sum up, in a pithy phrase, all that we are? Well, I have not worked that one out yet…
Regarding Pay
I would certainly have liked to have heard Phillip discuss more on this one.
I agree that pay should never be something to be obsessed over at work (just as we should not be obsessing over what everyone did on the weekend, the latest sports reports, the weather, politics, or anything really). The key word here is “obsessed” – for instance, I have seen places where the local footy tipping comp goes a few steps too far.
Note that I heard it first hand, but it may be that Phillip’s approach is not too dissimilar from the core of the approach taken at Semco (as written up in Maverick).
In that company, my recollection is that having people’s salaries publicly available was designed to eliminate any water-cooler conversations that would otherwise happened (no half-truths to gossip about) and was aligned with the more holistic approach to having the company’s books completely open to all staff. In that way, all employees could be aligned to:
1) Identifying and implementing improvements for the company;
2) Seeing (directly) the impact that these efforts have on the company’s bottom line; and
3) Hence being paid accordingly.
Unfortunately, as we know, it’s often the sensational bits that are remembered, whilst the context of the message is forgotten (and I did not help by only mentioning the sensational bit in my earlier post).
Paul
Actually Paul, the approach that Di Bella takes with regards to pay is the exact opposite of the one that you mention. There is the desire for all employees to see pay as something that happens when you go to work. It is not to be discussed and the only people who know someones pay are those people who need to know (i.e. the person setting the pay and the person receiving the pay).
The main point was that what should be motivating people to work at Di Bella is that they are drawn to their working environment, not that they are on $x pay rate. Having open discussions about pay between employees is not conducive to a good work environment (according to Phil).
To follow this up, I went to the Di Bella Coffee headquarters in Bowen Hills on Saturday and we were treated to two free coffees, just for showing up. The coffee I got was really good. My friend was slightly less impressed with his (though he still enjoyed it).
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